National鈥檚 Christopher Luxon and his MPs have returned to Parliament to a whirlwind of questions about the handling of the Andrew Bayly saga and the leader鈥檚 communication style.
Bayly resigned as a minister last Monday after engaging in 鈥渙verbearing鈥 behaviour towards a staff member, including placing his hand on their upper arm, something he acknowledged was 鈥渋nappropriate鈥.
In an interview the next morning with 九一星空无限talk ZB鈥檚 Mike Hosking, Luxon was repeatedly asked whether he would have sacked Bayly had the minister not resigned. He avoided clearly answering the question until finally saying he would have. Amid criticism, he admitted a day later that he doesn鈥檛 get his communication 鈥渞ight all the time鈥.
Facing media ahead of National鈥檚 caucus meeting on Tuesday morning, Luxon said MPs hadn鈥檛 raised any concerns with him about his communication ability.
鈥淭hat鈥檚 not a conversation we鈥檝e had with our caucus at all,鈥 the National leader said.
He again acknowledged he could sometimes do better.
鈥淚 could have communicated it much better. Yes, I can always do a better job engaging through and with media. But at the end of the day, Andrew came to a pretty tough and significant decision on his own right. I didn鈥檛 want to pile on.鈥
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has again acknowledged he could sometimes do better. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Luxon couldn鈥檛 specify what exactly Bayly had done that would have required him to sack the minister, had he not chosen to resign. He said Bayly had explained what had happened.
鈥淸He] didn鈥檛 meet my expectations as a minister, and he was well understood about that and more importantly, didn鈥檛 meet his own expectations,鈥 the Prime Minister said.
Despite not being able to clearly identify what made the behaviour worthy of being sacked, Luxon said ministers were 鈥渃rystal clear鈥 about what was a sackable offence.
He said he continued to have the backing of his caucus.
鈥淚鈥檓 waking up every day focused on the New Zealand people and at the moment they want us to deal with the cost of living crisis and that鈥檚 what we鈥檙e doing... we鈥檙e working hard to make sure we鈥檙e delivering for the New Zealand people.鈥
National has been struggling in recent public polls, down on where it was at the 2023 election. The current governing bloc 鈥 National, Act and New Zealand First 鈥 were behind the left bloc 鈥 Labour, the Greens and Te P膩ti M膩ori 鈥 in two major polls released in February.
Nicola Willis says she supports Christopher Luxon as leader. Photo / Mark Mitchell.
Nicola Willis, National鈥檚 deputy and the Finance Minister, said politicians don鈥檛 always get their communication correct, but she had learnt it was important to be blunt and get to the point.
鈥淲ith political communication, we all get it wrong sometimes or I say something and a journalist doesn鈥檛 interpret it the way I would have wanted it interpreted.鈥
She believed Luxon was the right person to lead the country and was hitting the mark.
鈥淲e are a country that is faced with significant economic and cost of living challenges and he is leading a government that is addressing that.鈥
Judith Collins, the Defence Minister who served in the previous National Government cabinets and was also leader prior to Luxon, said she had full confidence in him.
Asked whether she was clear what a sackable offence was, Collins said: 鈥淚鈥檓 not in charge of Cabinet.
鈥淚t is whatever the Prime Minister decides it is. That鈥檚 the way it works in every Cabinet I have been part of.
鈥淚t is very important that everyone understands the Prime Minister has got a tough job, he has got to be very strong in it, and I support him.鈥
Senior minister Paul Goldsmith agreed.
鈥淲hat makes a sackable offence is something the Prime Minister regards as a sackable offence. It鈥檚 obviously for the Prime Minister to deal with in any circumstances in a particular situation.
鈥淚 think we all understand that we鈥檙e always under particular public scrutiny and we鈥檝e got to conduct ourselves in a very careful way and so I think everybody in their own mind has a sense of what would fall into that category.鈥
Judith Collins is giving Christopher Luxon her full backing. Photo / Mark Mitchell
MPs also faced questions about whether they were being shown National鈥檚 internal polling. Many said they were, but wouldn鈥檛 share the last time that was, citing caucus confidentiality.
鈥淲e do see internal polling, we don鈥檛 do polling all the time. Certainly, we do internal polling and the caucus sees it,鈥 said senior minister Chris Bishop.
艑taki MP Tim Costley said he couldn鈥檛 remember when he last saw internal polling, 鈥渂ut we wouldn鈥檛 talk about anything that happens in caucus anyway, would we?鈥
He said there were only positive things to say about Luxon鈥檚 communication style and reckoned he was the right person to lead National.
鈥淗e has got us focused as a team and delivering on the things that matter to Kiwis. If you look at what the average mortgage is doing right now, that is providing real relief to Kiwis.鈥
Bay of Plenty MP Tom Rutherford said: 鈥淵ea, we have regular polling. I can鈥檛 disclose what happens at caucus. We get regular internal polling shared as a caucus.鈥
Labour leader Chris Hipkins wouldn鈥檛 share exactly what his party鈥檚 internal polling was but said it had the party above 30% and he was 鈥渆ncouraged鈥 by it. He said he shared it with his caucus.
Jamie Ensor is a political reporter in the NZ Herald Press Gallery team based at Parliament. He was previously a TV reporter and digital producer in the 九一星空无限hub Press Gallery office.
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