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'You're the f***ing mayor': Wayne Brown and Leo Molloy's foul-mouthed charity debate

Author
Simon Wilson,
Publish Date
Wed, 5 Jul 2023, 4:13pm
Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown singing his Phil Goff song at the end of the celebrity debate on Tuesday, with singer Megan Alatini at right. Photo / Simon Wilson
Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown singing his Phil Goff song at the end of the celebrity debate on Tuesday, with singer Megan Alatini at right. Photo / Simon Wilson

'You're the f***ing mayor': Wayne Brown and Leo Molloy's foul-mouthed charity debate

Author
Simon Wilson,
Publish Date
Wed, 5 Jul 2023, 4:13pm

It was a night to remember and publican Leo Molloy had organised special cocktails, all named for various people in the media. First on the list was Softc**k Simon Says, featuring anonymous 鈥渟pirits鈥 and 鈥渓iqueur鈥.

鈥淗armless fun in a good cause,鈥 he鈥檇 told this聽贬别谤补濒诲听journalist before I arrived.

The event was the Dame Marie Quinn Memorial Debate, a celebrity affair hosted by Molloy on Tuesday night in his Viaduct bar Headquarters. The good cause was the Auckland Mayoral Relief Fund.

The moot was 鈥淭hat all media are drongos鈥, a reference to a聽聽by Mayor Wayne Brown during this year鈥檚 anniversary weekend storm. He told his tennis group he couldn鈥檛 play because he had to 鈥渄eal with media drongos over the flooding鈥.

The lineup of debaters included Brown, former All Blacks coach Sir Graham Henry, former and would-be-again politician Shane Jones, comedian Guy Williams, politician Judith Collins and radio presenter Sean Plunket.

Molloy was also on the panel, along with a young Labour Party activist, Jacques Maitland.

As is usual in celebrity debates, the participants were free with their abuse of each other and others.

Molloy invited the聽贬别谤补濒诲听to attend the debate and wanted it to be written up. The participants knew this and the聽贬别谤补濒诲听talked to most of them before it started.

Plunket led for the affirmative, with a list of apologies for people he said couldn鈥檛 be there. Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau was absent, he said, because 鈥渟he鈥檚 on the piss鈥.

Then he said, 鈥淪he might be here but we wouldn鈥檛 recognise her because she wouldn鈥檛 have her makeup on.鈥

Veteran 九一星空无限talkZB journalist Barry Soper, also absent, had sent a note saying, 鈥淚鈥檓 at the maternity ward, awaiting the birth of my next wife.鈥

Soper and his wife Heather du Plessis-Allan welcomed the birth of their son last year.

Introducing Maitland, he said, 鈥淗e鈥檚 an urban planner. I know a lot of you hear that and think a***hole. But he鈥檚 not ... He鈥檚 a member of the Labour Party. Any other members of the Labour Party here tonight? No? Not one.鈥

Henry, he said, was 鈥渘ot the sort of guy who would breakdance after an All Blacks victory鈥.

Brown interjected, 鈥淗e breaks wind!鈥

Sean Plunket, who argued all media are drongos in the celebrity debate on Tuesday. Photo / File

Sean Plunket, who argued all media are drongos in the celebrity debate on Tuesday. Photo / File

Plunket said he could say all media are drongos because he has 鈥渢ransitioned鈥 from being one himself. He is now a 鈥渟ocial media influencer鈥. He joked that the audience for his radio station the Platform is 鈥渋ncredibly diverse鈥. It鈥檚 鈥渇ull of 50-plus farmers from Southland who hate co-governance and will vote Act鈥.

He wound up declaring, 鈥淭he media are clearly all drongos, which is why I left. How do we stop them? Don鈥檛 read them, don鈥檛 listen to them.鈥

Brown led for the negative. 鈥淕ood evening ladies and gentlemen, hello darlings, sl*ts and whores, drongos, dickheads, family friends, f***wits,鈥 he said. 鈥淎nd the occasional intelligent person who shouldn鈥檛 be here.鈥

Arguing for the negative was hard, he said, because 鈥渆veryone knows in their hearts the media are drongos鈥. The only thing he could think of that would be harder was 鈥渁rguing in favour of the Greens鈥 financial policy鈥.

He told the crowd, 鈥淚 have two stalkers, who are not drongos.鈥 One was Stuff journalist Todd Niall, the other was 鈥淪imon Bloody Wilson, the well-known urinal decorator who is rather obsessed with me. He鈥檚 been rubbishing me for 18 months 鈥 Nevertheless, Simon is a good person.鈥

Maitland argued the media were intent on 鈥渄estroying the lives of politicians鈥.

Molloy suggested three things divide us as a nation: 鈥淛acinda Ardern, Cook Strait and Ted F***ing Henry for giving Ian Foster the job after him.鈥

He described Williams鈥 parents as being 鈥渂rother and sister鈥 and said Williams was born in the country, he鈥檚 got six fingers, he鈥檚 not to be bred from鈥. Williams鈥 father was in the room, as Molloy knew, and seemed to take it in good grace.

Molloy鈥檚 beef with the media was that the value of Auckland鈥檚 waterfront land isn鈥檛 being exploited with a new stadium and other public uses. Media should do something about that, he declared.

Henry followed him. He said he had agreed to do the debate only because it was for a good cause.

鈥淭hat little guy,鈥 he said, pointing to Molloy, 鈥渉as always been a good talker but he doesn鈥檛 do the business. I鈥檝e been talking to some of his ladies and they say the same. All talk, can鈥檛 do the business.鈥

Graham Henry (right) with his assistant Wayne Smith during their All Blacks coaching days. Photo / Photosport

Graham Henry (right) with his assistant Wayne Smith during their All Blacks coaching days. Photo / Photosport

Then Henry introduced himself.

鈥淚鈥檓 a humble guy, so it鈥檚 hard for me to tell you this. But we won 87.5 per cent of our games. We won three Grand Slams and five Tri-Nations series. I鈥檓 feeling bloody embarrassed about this, but I won the IRB World Coach of the Year award five times. So I鈥檝e got some credibility. The mayor over there has 鈥榃e Get Sh** Done鈥 on his cap, but he hasn鈥檛 done it.鈥

Then he turned to the debate topic itself. 鈥淭he All Blacks are the best team of any sport in the world but the media treat them like sh**.鈥

He said the media drove Wayne Smith out of the ABs coaching job by 鈥渋nfluencing the board鈥, but 鈥淚 got him back鈥. The media, he added, 鈥渢ried to make sure Smith, Henry and Hansen weren鈥檛 reappointed after the 2007 World Cup quarterfinal loss. Thank Christ those drongos didn鈥檛 get their way.鈥

He finished up with a plea. 鈥淲hat we want is for the media to be positive, to support this country instead of knocking it, to help with making it great again.鈥

Then it was the turn of Guy Williams. 鈥淲hat the f*** is going on here?鈥 he demanded, before complaining the room was full of old people.

Last year, Williams famously interviewed Molloy when he was standing for Auckland mayor.

鈥淚 regret that interview,鈥 said Williams, 鈥渂ecause after Leo withdrew we got f***ing Wayne Brown.鈥 He complained that Brown had done little as mayor.

鈥淲hat do you want me to do?鈥 shouted Brown.

鈥淥rganise the f***ing council, Wayne,鈥 Williams responded. 鈥淵ou鈥檙e the f***ing mayor!鈥

Leo Molloy being interviewed last year by Guy Williams. Photo / THREE

Leo Molloy being interviewed last year by Guy Williams. Photo / THREE

Williams jokingly hailed the 鈥渄iverse range of people in the room, from the right to the far right鈥, which was met with groans. Someone threw a napkin at him.

Then he turned to Collins. 鈥淚 thought Judith got a hard rap,鈥 he said. 鈥淭hen I met her. They got it spot on.鈥

In his view, Collins was 鈥渁 robot invented by Labour to bring down the Nats鈥.

When Collins spoke, she started with the mayor. 鈥淲ayne Brown is a good mate. Mainly because he will always say something worse than I will.鈥

As for Jones, she said from time to time in their careers they had been close.

鈥淲ere you watching blue movies together?鈥 interjected Brown.

She was interested to hear Plunket call himself an ex-journalist: 鈥淚t鈥檚 a bit like being an ex-parrot.鈥

She also revealed that before she came to the debate, people asked if she was worried she would be 鈥渢he only flower of femininity鈥 in the whole debate, 鈥淏ut I told them, 鈥楴o, I鈥檓 used to it. I鈥檓 in the National Party鈥.鈥

All media are definitely drongos, she argued, 鈥渂ecause if they weren鈥檛 they鈥檇 be MPs鈥.

Judith Collins, who described herself in the debate as a "flower of femininity". Photo / Mark Mitchell

Judith Collins, who described herself in the debate as a "flower of femininity". Photo / Mark Mitchell

Law professor David Round, who was moderating the debate, told her, 鈥淵ou鈥檙e a force of nature and we鈥檙e going to name the next cyclone after you.鈥

Jones said he鈥檇 asked his team leader, the mayor, what he should talk about, and Brown had said, 鈥淛ust tell M膩ori jokes from the North.鈥

鈥淒rongo,鈥 Jones said, 鈥渋s close to the M膩ori word rongo, which can mean medicine.鈥 So it wasn鈥檛 so bad, really.

鈥淚鈥檓 defending the media,鈥 he said, 鈥渂ecause they never give up. You spend one night with the blue movies.鈥

This was a reference to Jones having been caught out as a Cabinet minister charging hotel porn to his ministerial expenses. The incident came up frequently.

Then it was time for the rights of reply. Brown said he wasn鈥檛 sure if his side had proved the media are not all drongos, but 鈥渨e鈥檝e certainly found the other side are all clowns鈥.

He referred to the 鈥渇ormer prime minister, whatshername, who f***ed the country鈥, before saying that in the coming election 鈥渨e鈥檝e got a choice between cancer and polio鈥.

He reminded the audience he had promised to 鈥渄ecide who鈥檚 going to be the Government. They鈥檝e both done bugger all for Auckland and later in the election campaign I鈥檒l tell you who to vote for.鈥

鈥淭he media are not all drongos,鈥 he added, 鈥渂ut it would be nice if they did their job.鈥 He seemed to mean they should report on the world more in line with how he saw it.

Sean Plunket used his reply to suggest the media are drongos because, when the anniversary weekend storm broke, he argued the Auckland media focused on calling Brown 鈥渁 w**ker鈥.

It wasn鈥檛 clear who won and nobody appeared to care anyway. Brown was presented with a miniature road cone, to remind him to fulfil his promise to do something about them.

鈥淭hanks very much for this little cone,鈥 he said. 鈥淚t鈥檚 not quite big enough to shove up someone鈥檚 bottom.鈥

Auckland mayor Wayne Brown singing his Phil Goff song at the end of the celebrity debate on Tuesday, with singer Megan Alatini at right. Photo / Simon Wilson

Auckland mayor Wayne Brown singing his Phil Goff song at the end of the celebrity debate on Tuesday, with singer Megan Alatini at right. Photo / Simon Wilson

After the formalities, Brown got up to sing. He started with 鈥淗it the road, Goff, better f*** off, right now, right now, right now, right now.鈥 He had verses in the same vein.

After a bit of that, Megan Alatini joined him. The former True Bliss singer is a friend of Molloy and had introduced the evening. 鈥淚鈥檓 not going to go there,鈥 she said about Brown鈥檚 lyrics, and instead sang the original words: 鈥淗it the road, Jack 鈥︹

Brown stopped swearing about Goff and sang the proper chorus with her.

Asked about his comments the next day, the office of the mayor said, 鈥淭he debate event was a light-hearted evening which raised $13,000 for Auckland flood relief.

鈥淚n the spirit of the evening, the mayor鈥檚 comments were not serious, intentionally self-deprecating and a deliberate self-conscious exaggeration of the media鈥檚 perception of the mayor and other speakers.鈥

Upstairs in the men鈥檚 toilets, Molloy had organised for images of media companies to be stuck to the urinals, where they could be urinated on. Yes, pictures of me were included.

Brown is still joking about it, but I do not believe he would ever do it.

Simon Wilson is a senior writer covering politics, the climate crisis, transport, housing, urban design and social issues, with a focus on Auckland. He joined the聽贬别谤补濒诲听in 2018.

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